Pirates, Cardinals brace for summer-long duel

Explaun to me why another pitcher is a must? Three is all any team has ever needed. I am fine with Morton and Locke. They are better than average number 4 and 5 guys.

Now if you wanna talk bull pen Im listening.

If you want to gamble that all 5 will stay healthy your kidding yourself and there is no one in the minors and Worley maybe but if you want to win it all you need another pitcher!

He would cost a lot, but Chris Sale would be sweet.

He would cost a lot, but Madison Bumgarner would be sweet

He's been dead since 1955 but Cy Young would be sweet.

I don't understand why people get uptight when someone suggests adding another SP that could make your rotation that much more dangerous...I think if they can do that go for it..as well as another bullpen arm and a bat.

You are absolutely ruining this site for me Pittsburgh21.

Unless you want to meet and discuss whatever issues you have with me, I'm gonna ask you no longer make any comments towards me whatsoever.

Teams typically use 4 starters in the playoffs unless they have one guy who's REALLY dominant, or they're in an elimination situation. And while Charlie can and has been that 4th starter, his history of giving up games like the Washington this year from time to time makes we wish he was the 5th starter instead.

That being said, picking up a pitcher better than Charlie will cost more than the Bucs are willing to give up, especially given that they'd move Locke to the pen and they seem to want to stick with him.

The Pirates sent Jim Rooker out against Baltimore for a World Series game in which they faced elimination. I'm very comfortable with Morton or Locke in comparison.

You nailed it Demon. Any upgrade over Morton will likely be too pricey. I agree bpn that sale would be sweet but as 21 pointed out in his not so graceful way that has a snowballs chance in you know where. MC I see your point about depth but if that is concern add depth guys not rotation guys. I just dont see the economics worth the slight improvment.

Dont get me wrong. If they go out and ge hamels or something I will take it. I just dont see it as a glaring need like say a shut down seventh inning guy and a viable bench bat.

I don't think it should be looked at as a rental, necessarily. I mentioned Sale, and a month ago they were looking at Buchholz. These are guys similar to Wandy, that come with years, and the price tag is manageable. But I agree on the prospects. I doubt they part with anything significant.

Jeff Francoeur and Delwyn Young aren't worth it in my opinion. 💋 is free, relatively speaking.

NH is going to land an SP in the 3-4 realm, bank on it. He knows expecting all 5 of these guys to stay healthy through October is extremely unlikely. And if one goes down theyve got maybe Worley to plug in and ... nothing as options at present.

Just where do you hide this extra pitcher in case of an injury? In the bullpen? That doesn't always work out so well, do you DFA either Worley, Locke, Morton? Wait... If there would be an injury we would still be short on depth if there was another injury. Does Cole of any options left? maybe we can send him to Indy in case someone gets hurt.

People the last thing this team should do is pay an exorbitant premium in terms of talent for an over priced starting pitcher at the deadline there is no where on the roster for them without cutting someone else a reasonably priced bullpen arm maybe, a starter not a chance. We still have Liz getting stretched out and doing well in Indy.

VA, not thinking of just 2015. Thats all.

Dejan, if I got it right from Monday planner comments

I'll be in Kansas City.

Just got back from KC. As a fountain guy, you must love it out there. lots of photo opportunities that gush water. With the stadium half way to St. Louis, you may not get to the Plaza. Have a good trip.

Dejan, you have to check out their library if you can, coolest library facade: https://www.google.com/search?q=kansas+city+library&rlz=1C1CHWA_enUS635US636&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&imgil=6bTaQc2aM8HMrM%253A%253Bb5CjcmmtfHzYMM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Flikelinkshare.org%25252Fprofile%25252Fkansas-city-library%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=6bTaQc2aM8HMrM%253A%252Cb5CjcmmtfHzYMM%252C_&biw=1440&bih=731&usg=__kG-eWpue9Jg9Ex8bAMVRdsl2jRY%3D&ved=0CF8QyjdqFQoTCIrb2r_Q4MYCFQxcHgodN4oPkw&ei=qSaoVcriOYy4ebeUvpgJ#imgrc=6bTaQc2aM8HMrM%3A&usg=__kG-eWpue9Jg9Ex8bAMVRdsl2jRY%3D

Any word on Nate? His name is off of the home page. It seems like the guy lasted three days, or am I missing something?....

Deadline deals aren't usually about money it's about talent either top prospects or recently roster players and they do worry about those. Money only comes to play during free agency so your not too veiled slap at the organization for being cheap is unfounded at this time.

Wow in the dead years there was at least one where StLouis was bad too. Been near the top every year since though.

Don't you worry, it will be brought

Don't you worry, it will be brought

Why would the d-backs trade Goldschmidt? That would be like the Bucs trading Cutch. Something like Marte, Glasnow and Bell might do it. But neither the Bucs nor the D-Backs will make that trade.

What makes you think the Cardinals will cruise? Their offense is not a juggernaut and who knows if their pitching will be as dominant in the second half?